Walkup's Way Home Plato's Ring of Gyges
Why are people just?
Why do people act as they do?

See text from Plato's Republic, Book II
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/euthyfro.html

 

 

 


Plato
428-348 (347)B.C.

Learning Objectives: - Ring of Gyges

  • Understanding which age-old question the "Ring of Gyges" answers;
  • Familiarity with the famous "Ring of Gyges" dialog;
  • Glaucon's explanation to the origin of justice or law;
  • Glaucon's explanation as to why people are just;
  • Glaucon's explanation as to why people act as they do;
  • Glaucon's rebuttal to justice being valuable for its own sake and not for the rewards it brings;
  • A deeper philosophical understanding on the attainment of happiness after reflecting on   the "Ring of Gyges" and selected quotations.

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What age-old question does Plato's "Ring of Gyges "answer?
Plato's Myth of Gyges answers the age-old question: "Why do people do what they do?
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Book #2  of Republic, Glaucon's story)

(1) Do people act as they do because of the the pleasure it  eventually yields
     ( there is a joy in giving, in loving...study leads to a refined intellect and a good position in the working world)
(2)  OR   Do people do what they do out of fear of getting caught?

What is "The Ring of Gyges" story"?

An everyday  common shepherd was shepherding his sheep when "Boom."  out of nowhere. an earthquake occurs.
It left a chasm in the ground. The shepherd went to investigate.
There he saw many treasures, including a hollow brazen horse, having doors.
In the horse was a dead body having nothing on but a beautiful gold ring..
Gyges took the ring.

Later Gyges noticed that when he wore the ring and turned it, he was invisible to the world.

So what do you think he did?
1. He seduces the queen
2. Together they conspire against the king & kill him
3. They take control of the kingdom

Which leads  us to the question - What would we do if we had the ring?

The behaviorist theory of morality states we act according to reward and punishment.
Certainly, being corporeal we are inclined by pleasure and pain. So this is partly true.
Some say we are more than body; we have a rational intellect and will that rise above physical pain and may even be willing to endure physical pain for a greater good. We may endure a sacrifice for those we love. We might rush in a brutally hot, burning building to save a loved one.

Gyges says the just and unjust man would act exactly the same if both possessed the ring.
Why would this be?

To quote Timmons, Conduct and Character, "In a famous passage from The Republic, Glaucon (one of the characters of the dialogue) argues to Socrates that, by nature, human beings are egoists strongly inclined to pursue their own self-interests. Thus 'those who practice justice do so against their will because they lack the power to do wrong.'" (Timmons, Conduct & Character 23) 

The just man would no longer fear getting caught for doing evil.  The only thing that keeps people straight, according to Glaucon, is the fear of getting caught, of being thought less of. Goodness is nothing but a show. Goodness is also a masque for  cowardness to get caught.  Man's inherent nature is not to be good, because man is only good out of fear. Why, for example, would a young child listen to his parents, and why does man pay taxes? According to Gyges, they are good only to avoid punishment and to look good.

We are like a charioteer - says Plato, being pulled  by opposing forces. The impulses of the body are like an untamed steed.  Yet the voice of reason brings us into balance. Our rational power (not will or desire)  finds harmony and balance.

The deepest truths, however, cannot be discovered by everyone, according to Plato.  It takes a philosopher.
The point of philosophy is not what people do, but what people ought to do.

Background Information:

As we enter Book II of Plato's Republic, Thrasymachus, a sophist, has just pointed out that the unjust man is the successful man.  The unjust man is more intelligent and uses injustice as a source of strength, which, in turn, brings happiness.

Glaucon (Plato's brother) comments that he has never heard an argument which has convinced him that the just life is really better than the unjust life. It appear the just life is a difficult one and only worthwhile for its rewards. Glaucon wants to hear Socrates' comment to these popular claims, not that he himself necessarily believes these claims.

Keep in mind Socrates believes justice is good for its own sake, regardless of the consequences.  It is good in the same way that health or knowledge is good.

What are the three main points that Glaucon tries to get across?

Glaucon's First Point - The origin of justice
Originally there was no law. People did as they wanted. The stronger took advantage of the weaker, but they lived in fear of each other.  Eventually people decided it would be better if there were laws to protect each other from harm: "I won't harm you & you don't harm me." Whatever is ordained by law becomes "lawful and just."  Right conduct means following these  (arbitrary) laws. Justice arises from expedience from the need for protection rather than from eternal truths,

Glaucon's Second Point - The Difference Between the Just and the Unjust Man
Glaucon claims if the just and unjust man were each given  a ring of invisibility, both would act exactly alike.
The unjust man would continue to act unjustly.
The just man would be a fool to continue to act justly because he could not be caught or punished. The just man would have no reason to continue acting justly. Just men act justly because of the consequences.

Glaucon's Third Point: It is Better (and Happier)  to Seem Just Than To Be Just
Glaucon paints a scenario of a persecuted just man who people think is unjust and stupid - as contrasted to an unjust Machiavellian man who people think is kind, just, wise, helpful, courageous, resourceful...  Glaucon asks, "Which man is happier?" 

What is Socrates' view?

As the Republic continues Socrates insists that goodness, happiness, and justice are intertwined. 
If asked, "What is the good life?" the answer is, "A life lived in virtue, with justice. Without goodness, there is no happiness."
Socrates later point is that  what is really harmful to a man is not pain or suffering or injustice inflicted by others, but one's own injustice.
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Questions for discussion    Happiness and The Ring of Gyges

  1. What would be a fun thing to do if you had a "Ring of Gyges"?

  2. Would we act the same way as we do every day if we had a ring?

  3. Do you agree that  people "just" only because they fear being found unjust? Why are people just?

  4. Do people want others to think well of them and thus respect and love them; this is why we are good -
     not for goodness itself but for fear of being found out and not loved as much.

  5. Would the just and unjust act the same if they wore Gyges ring? To what extent? How?

  6. To what extent are we hypocrites?

  7. Who is happier, the praised unjust man (Glaucon's view) -  or the unpraised just man (Socrates' view)?
    Are there different kinds of happiness?

  8. Do people do what they do involuntarily? Are we free agents or are we determined by the environment? Are we the Lord & Master of our fate?

  9. How  can we best teach others to be just - both children and co-workers?

  10. Once again, reflect on the first question: Imagine an action you would take if you had the ring.   What is it that now prevents you from taking that action? Is that action good or bad?

  11. Read the following quotations on happiness. Do you agree with all of them? Do you have a favorite? Aristotle said that the man who is happiest is the man who is leading a good life, doing what he should be doing.  What do you believe brings happiness, and why is it that this brings happiness?

     

Quotes on Happiness

Happiness cannot come from without. It must come from within. It is not what we see and touch or that which
others do for us which makes us happy; it is that which we think and feel and do, first for the other fellow and
then for ourselves. --Helen Keller

I am more and more convinced that our happiness or our unhappiness depends far more on the way we meet the events of life than on the nature of those events themselves.  Karl Wilhelm Von Humboldt

A grateful heart is a happy heart. L. Walkup

Happiness cannot come from without. It must come from within. Helen Keller

Happiness is not achieved by the conscious pursuit of happiness; it is generally the by-product of other  activities. -- Aldous Huxley (1894-1963), Vedanta for the Western World, 1945

Your unhappiness is not due to your want of a fortune or high position or fame or sufficient vitamins. It is due not to a want of something outside of you, but to a want of something inside you. You were made for perfect happiness. No wonder everything short of God disappoints you. -- Fulton Sheen

"The ancient Greek definition of happiness was the full use of your powers along the line of excellence." — John F. Kennedy, From O, the Oprah Magazine December 2003

My happiness is not the means to any end. It is the end. Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

To be learning something is the greatest of pleasures. Aristotle (The origin and development of poetry)

 It would add much to human happiness, if an art could be taught of forgetting all of which the remembrance is at
once useless and afflictive... that the mind might perform its functions without encumbrance, and the past
might no longer encroach upon the present. --Samuel Johnson (The Idler)

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Book 1, Republic - for a future lecture

What is Socrates' rebuttal?
1.  In other professions, like music, it is the ignorant man, the fool, who tries to outdo the expert. A poor flute player will not try to outdo an expert player.  It is the unjust who try to outdo everybody.

2. It is not necessarily the unjust man who is stronger. If one looks at thieves, there is a code of honor among them. They are no completely unjust to one another or this would lead to chaos. So there is some justice among thieves. Might is not right

3.  Socrates says all has a function. For example, a knife is made to cut and its virtue is sharpness. A man is made to live & to do its function well, it must have justice, in the same way as a knife must have sharpness. So to do its function well, a knife must have sharpness and a person must have justice.  Only when one does its function well can one be happy.

Comment on Socrates' rebuttal
You may not find these  rebuttals convincing.       However, as you read more of Plato's Republic, you begin to understand that Plato and Socrates consider the "good life" to be an honorable, just life, and this is a happy life. Justice is important.

This contradicts Thrasymachus's (book I) point of view that living well - having power, wealth, money, being in charge when "Might is right." 

The rest of the republic continues to define terms, such as justice and goodness for their own sake & how to inculcate these in people.. 

 How do you think one can teach another to be just????????